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YS: Lessons from Regionals
Posted On 04/08/2008 16:43:43 by MagicDrafter

Here's a quick ruling question: can Witch of the Black Forest search out Gravekeeper's Spy? To rephrase, is 2000 less than or equal to 1500? I'm sure that everyone o you knows the answer to this: no. Unless of course, you're Ryan Murphy. What's more, the deck is a complete joke.


But enough of the customary Ryan Murphy ranting. Complaining about the format and Dark Armed Dragon is so passé. So instead, I'm going to talk about my day at Toronto's regional tournament.


Before the Tournament


So I had a week to build a deck for regionals. I didn't use that time to build a deck. Instead, I showed up at the tournament place, waited for my friends to arrive then started to decide on a deck 1 hour before registration ended. So if one friend played Dark Armed Dragon and the other played Six Samurai, what was I to play? Well, I could've played Six Samurai as well, but instead played Macro. So I started going through boxes and boxes of cards just pulling out whatever seemed useful. I just pulled out 40 cards from and then called it a deck. Bad idea.


2 Cyber Dragon
2 Mobius the Frost Monarch
2 Van'Dalgyon the Dark Dragon Lord


3 D.D. Survivor
2 Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer
1 Banisher of the Radiance
1 Exiled Force
1 Kinetic Soldier
1 Morphing Jar
1 Spirit Reaper


3 Dimensional Fissure
2 Enemy Controller
2 Reinforcements of the Army
1 Brain Control
1 Monster Reborn
1 Mystical Space Typhoon
1 Scapepgoat


3 Dark Bribe
3 Solemn Judgment
2 Macro Cosmos
2 Magic Drain
1 Mind Crush
1 Mirror Force
1 Torrential Tribute


This is the worst deck I've ever played with (relative to the age of the game). The deck has no aggression, relying on a few monsters to win the game. The number of dead hands are just astounding. There's also a bunch of random cards in here, like Mind Crush without Trap Dustshoot and the random Kinetic Soldier. When I was writing up the deck list for registration, I realized the deck had no Torrential Tribute and took out Trap Dustshoot for it.


The Tournament


Round 1: Some Fiend Deck


He played Dark World with Doom Shaman to bring them back. He also had a Volcanic Shell engine going to fuel its discard cards.


Game 1: He discards Doom Shaman via Phoenix Wing Wind Blast and then plays Swing of Memories to summon him, then normal summons it. I told him that Doom Shaman still dies but the Head Judge ruled it otherwise. More on that later. I still beat him though as we were both topdecking but I finally assembled D.D. Survivor and Dimensional Fissure whereas he topdecked some Dark World monsters.


Game 2: I just drew a hand of Dark Bribe, Solemn Judgment, Macro, more Dark Bribes and more Macro and he beats me down with Snipe Hunter.


Game 3: I was on the verge of losing but topdecked Morphing Jar, which I didn't side out because my sidedeck was worse than my main deck. He had Snipe Hunter on the field and instead of sniping my Morphing Jar away, he decides to just attack. With the cards I drew, I finally drew a Macro Cosmos after not seeing neither a Dimensional Fissure nor a Macro Cosmos for upwards of 10 of my turns. I then proceeded to beat him after I used Torrential Tribute on his Return from the Different Dimension with him at 150 LP and me at 200 LP.


Round 2: Traditional Monarchs


Game 1: After I used Solemn Judgment and get out Van'Dalgyon, I attack his face down Gravekeeper's Spy, On his turn he plays Smashing Ground, which I Magic Drain'd. He then plays Snipe Hunter, takes control of my Dragon with Enemy Controller then attack for game.


Game 2: I get down Macro and D.D. Survivor early in the game and just outplay him with Enemy Controller tricks and stuff. I want to note that this will be the last time I'll get out D.D. Survivor with Macro Cosmos together for the rest of the tournament.


Game 3: He does a simlar move where he just takes my Van'Dalgyon with Enemy Controller and attacks me for a bit over 4000 damage, with Snipe Hunter again, for game.


Round 3: Some Counter Burn


Game 1: I Solemn Judgment his Solemn Solemn Judgment and just beat him down with Kycoo while he had a bunch of useless Divine Wrath. I didn't know he was playing Burn in this game.


Game 2: I sided in Twisters because my 6th sense told me to. I play Heavy Storm, he counters with Solemn Judgment, I counter his counter with Solemn Judgment. I drop Van'Dalgyon and play Brain Control on his remaining Bountiful Artemis for game. In this game I learned that Bountiful Artemis gets to draw when any player activates a counter trap, not just its controller.


Round 4: Magical Explosion FTK


Game 1: I drew some crap like Scapegoat and D.D. Survivor and he just OTK's me on his turn. If only I had a Macro or Dark Bribe, I would win this.


Game 2: He did nothing for 3 turns and I just beat him down with D.D. Survivor and Kycoo.


Game 3: His deck fails horribly and dumps all 3 copies of Magical Explosion to the graveyard so he has to wait a turn to get them back with Cyber Valley. If I had Dark Bribe, Solemn Judgment or Mystical Space Typhoon, I would win this but I just had crap like Scapegoat and D.D. Survivor and topdeck into Magic Drain.


Round 5: Old School Beat Down


Game 1: If you haven't notice, I won my games just beating down people with 1800 attackers. He just overpowered me with Berserk Gorillas and Goblin Elite Attack Force.


Game 2 I had Dark Bribe, Solemn Judgment, Macro, Macro, more Dark Bribe and Magic Drain and he just beats me down with D.D. Warrior Lady and Kycoo.


So with this lost, even top 32 for a prize was impossible and I dropped. Everytime I drew an opening hand I wanted to roll my eyes because they were all so bad. The deck has little synergestic interactions. I also hit into Gravekeeper's Spy an unsually large number of times and D.D. Survivor and Kycoo don't destroy those.


After the Tournament


With such an early drop, I had time to look around. First, a highly respected world class player who shall remain anonymous said he built the Shadow of Ohm FTK and concluded that Gillison and Diaz had to stack the decks to win because because all the neccesary draw power and the discard stuff had to be stacked together in order to operate like what was seen on Metagame feature matches.


The second thing I saw is just sickening. I was watching James Neumann play, and he lost. Now, that's not very sickening but the next thing is. He signs the match slip and checks that he won and walks away. Now a less acute player would just sign the slip and hand it in. That means the records would say Neumann wins. He seemed to be really sportsman-like but I guess that's just a way to mask make his cheating much easier. I guess he could've mistakenly checked the wrong box but when was the last time anyone checked the wrong box on a match slip, and this should be especially rare for someone who frequents large tournaments. So if you play James Neumann, watch out for his tricks.


Anyway, there were an unusually large number of Six Samurai players. At the top tables, I would say 1 in every 2 decks was Six Samurai. More on this next blog.


Bad Judging


The number of incorrect rulings from the judges is just astounding. Seriously, I, as a level 1 judge, know my rulings better than the judges at the regionals. Much better in fact. It's kind of sad how these judges don't check the judge forums because these rulings can easily be found there. So I'll just outline some of them here and hopefully some judge will learn something from this.


#1: Swing of Memories vs. Gemini Monsters


A Gemini monster thatis normal summoned to have its effect active is treated as the same monster. Cards like Birthright stay on it and continue to affect it. Swing of Memories will still destroy it at the end of the turn. I almost got screwed over from the head judges incorrect ruling but luckily I still won. The Head Judge says he just came back frm Shonen Jump Columbus too, so yeah, even Shonen Jump judges don't update their rulings.


#2: Dark Bribe vs. Protector of the Sanctuary


Dark Bribe cannot be activated outside the draw phase if Protector of the Sanctuary is on the field. The judge ruled that Dark Bribe can be activated and then the draw effect just does happen. Wrong!


#3 Burial from a Differential Dimension vs. Macro Cosmos


This is a big one. A lot of players think that Burial from a Dimension cannot be played while Dimensional Fissure, Banisher of the Radiance or Macro Cosmos is active. It has been ruled offically ruled by Curtis Schultz that it can be used. Click the link for the reason.


#4 The Six Samurai - Yaichi vs. Torrential Tribute


Yaichi and Kamon need another Six Samurai of a different name with them on the field to activate and resolve. If Torrential Tribute is chained to Yaichi's effect, it would wipe out the Six Samurais and Yaichi's effect would not resolve. Even after I explained this to a judge, he continued to believe that the effect will still resolve without another Six Samurai on the field. Bad judging.


Lessons Learned


So here's what I learned:
1. Don't build a deck 1 hour before a regionals.
2. The Shadow of Ohm FTK doesn't work when not stacked.
3. James Neumann cheats.
4. Many judges are incompetent.
5. Kenny Lam slowplays like mad. You should know this if you live in Toronto.


So that's it for now. Happy dueling.

 

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04/14/2008 19:56:21
Great blog!I'm gonna read this more often,plus i'm gonna look out for these at regenals


04/11/2008 05:24:37

- Sorry for being so defensive; I was trying to find a decklist from my feature match in Indy, and this came up for some reason. Obviously, someone repeating your name and the word "joke" (without the phrase "told a really great" in between) on multiple occassions is something that'll catch your eye and cut a little. I do very much appreciate criticism, but I'd prefer to have a chance to respond to said criticism. Again, if I can appeal to the Yugioh community in a way better than that I already do, I'd love for the information to be passed to me.

- As for your performance at the regional:
I've been doing a lot of research on DAD (obviously, ONLY research, being on the other side of the world... and in a place which isn't Japan). I really wouldn't suggest any attempts to halt manipulation of the Graveyard (unless it's supported through other uses of the same tech- ie, Necrovalley). Not only is it not a real weakness of DAD, but RFG will actually tend to get you killed faster.  o.O  There's the obvious anti-special summon tech. However- halting the card drawing engines is much more effective (especially when combined with the anti-special summon tech). if DAD was -3 allure -3 D draw -3 cyber valley (and all the other random card drawing/deck thinning power), it actually wouldn't be that impressive.
Of course- that's probably becoming more self evident as time passes. But, just in case, there ya go.

- Murphy


PS- please send criticism to my Pojo account or Aim (the latter of which can be found on pojo). just like when dealing with DAD- ranting gets us no where.



04/10/2008 09:30:47

hey magic Drafter, good article.

 

Sucks that you didn't win, maybe you should get a judge cert at SJC toronto?

 

as for the ohm ftk deck, its more of a hit or miss deck, playing dark world dealings without broww in any case slows down the draw ability then help it. However having those two together will generate more draw, giving that case and the fact that there are only 3 browws in teh deck how can a duelist accomplish this without prestacking?

 

Actually there has been a lot of talk with stacking and cheating after Colombus.

 

as for the judge thing. judges fail to keep up-to-date with ruling changes, or that they take rulings from other incompentent head judges and think it is right. Which obviously hurts the duelist then help them. 

 

 

 

oh and your deck sucks, try not sucking so much with such a sucking deck.

 

CYA may1st. 



04/10/2008 05:49:27
@Kane-333
I pretty much said my deck sucked, but I still don't think Macro is an amazing deck type. Possibly playable but far from amazing.

@Ryan Murphy
Thanks for reading. I'm quite honoured (Canadian spelling) that you actually read at least the beginning of the blog (possibly because you heard from somewhere that I was bashing you?). I agree with that theory is great a part of the game, but certainly having a more capable deck can reinforce the validity of the theories. If a deck is constructed from theory and fails, then it is a sign that the theories don't work very well or it's missing some more theory.


04/10/2008 03:58:10

Macro is an amaaing deck type yours just sucked



04/10/2008 01:40:49

- As for the Witch- considering the theme of the deck, I thought it was self evident she searched Sangan... etc. Suppose I should have been more specific there.

- As for the constant bashing I recieve:
It's clear that, once a month, I've introduced a new governing theory to the game since I've started. As, in a journalism field, you are given a column and fill it, I really find it a strange form of personal attack to go after the fact that... well... I write what I'm told to write.

More importantly- In terms of the approach in which one takes to reading an article in the Traditional Format: I care as little about the format as you do... it's a lot of fun and a great way to learn about governing theory, but obviously not a way of generating serious monetary profit, nor a way of finding serious competition. This isn't MtG... as healthy as multiple formats are for a game.
Instead- as I've stated time and time again within the articles- the decklists are near irrellevant.

You've stated you can't ever use the decklist, and bashed for it.
Then, you continue to bash me for the decklist itself, which both you and I have already stated is of an irrellevant nature to the game.

Again, I thought (possibly by including it in about half my leads) that it was obvious the point of discussion upon the Traditional Format was the thought process (ESPECIALLY in the Demise article- in which I begin the introduction to the governing theory of the Win Consistency Percentage [WCP], utilize math to justify choices [something too few players do] and articulate the thought process to help players who find themselves either netdecking or just throwing "powerful" cards together in a deck.

Of course, I'm a helper.

I DO appreciate constructive criticism; I've changed my writing style to appeal to a lower reading level, I've put heavy stress on the governing theory (which I find very relevant to the game) and the thought process in which the decklists are created; I've even justified most of the decks I've posted by literally telling the reader that the deck is unimportant, but what can be learned from considering the thought process or playing the deck.

I again apologize for the choices my editors made in assigning my section. As I've obviously shown by my allowed once-a-month theory-oriented article I'm allowed, I write for metagame because discussion of the basic theory is appealing to me.

If there are any other comments, feel free to contact me. Criticism is always welcomed and will be replied to; there's no reason to simply flame. If there's something I could be doing better, just let me know.


 


OH- and for the past three weeks I've turned in articles regarding playing against the format- and, if you read my articles (which it seems you do with a fine toothed comb, and I appreciate that), you'll find that RFG oriented anti-meta is theoretically misguided. While it'll help against the DMOC OTK deck, it's the current oversupply of draw power that the decks have which make them so good. Sorry to hear you couldn't top at the regional.



04/09/2008 22:33:05
I love your critisms of Ryan Murphy. Ever since I read his article on how to build a Demise deck in Traditional I choose not to read his articles anymore. I built the ultimate Demise deck in Traditional (last format just before Trade In was released), and I wanted to see how it compared to his build. His build was more a modified Advanced deck than a Traditional.

When it comes to Rulings, they are inconsistent and always changing, but the Dark Bribe one should be pretty self evident.

Anyway, I still enjoy reading your blogs, so hope you write plenty more for me to read.


04/09/2008 16:54:46
Wikia is not official and is wrong in this case.


04/09/2008 16:52:21
Just wanna say this.....
According to the yugioh wikia thing, the gemini monster is not destroyed because"It" was not special summoned by that cards effect.


04/09/2008 16:17:18
@Kane-333
Yes, the Macro deck is horrible. It's like a "what not to do" deck.

@crush-card-virus
I am 100% sure that you have no played this game longer than me, because I played it from day 1. At the time of builiding the deck, the rationale was that Macro / Dimensional Fissure won't always be online (and during the games, it was hardly ever online), so Monster Reborn made the cut because it's too good not to use.



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